Coffee
2:15 Tue Mar 22
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AF447 was a different scenario. Major cock-up by the two pilots flying while the captain was having a kip.
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Lee Trundle
2:13 Tue Mar 22
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I think they said it was travelling at over 400 knots which is just over 450mph.
I found this regarding a plan freefalling:
Air France 447, which stalled, fell out of the sky and crashed with little forward speed and the engines at full throttle. Air France 447 was an Airbus A330, a plane in about the same class as the 737. It fell in a powered stall from 38,000 feet (11.6 km) in about 4 minutes. That's an average vertical speed of 108 mph or about the terminal velocity of a skydiver.
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Coffee
2:12 Tue Mar 22
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Depends if the object in free fall has engines attached. Seriously, at around 500 knots, there's no comparison.
Amputee
Don't. Just don't.
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Far Cough
2:09 Tue Mar 22
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Terminal velocity is hard to calculate without knowing all the parameters but let's say freefall at 200 mph but then if you add engine power, it could be almost double that?
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Mike Oxsaw
2:04 Tue Mar 22
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"It took just over 90 seconds to go from 29,000 feet to crash"
How does that compare with an object in free-fall?
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Amputee Actor
2:02 Tue Mar 22
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Those passenger windows look painted on to me.
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Lee Trundle
1:40 Tue Mar 22
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Interesting read that, Coffee.
A lot of educated guessing by the NERDS there. Suggestions that the plane was starting to tear apart before it hit the ground (possibly due to the speed it was going).
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Coffee
1:22 Tue Mar 22
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Lee Trundle 12:49 Tue Mar 22
See here:
https://www.pprune.org/rumours-news/645805-china-eastern-737-800-mu5735-accident-march-2022-a-2.html#&gid=1&pid=5
Look at the altitude and the vertical speed (far right column). It took just over 90 seconds to go from 29,000 feet to crash. Totally, utterly terrifying.
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violator
1:04 Tue Mar 22
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Few theories that it could have been a suicide, which might be a reason why they seemed to get the plane under control before losing it again.
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Lee Trundle
12:49 Tue Mar 22
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The footage has it going straight down like a dart.
There's reports now saying it fell to 7,400ft before briefly regaining about 1,200ft in altitude.
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charleyfarley
12:44 Tue Mar 22
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Bloke who trains pilots on simulators saying this Boeing is not the controversial MCAS software Boeing, but the one before, the safest plane in the world, it lost 25,000 feet in less than 2 minutes which is a dive, he is saying take a close look at the pilots (German pilot who deliberately flew into mountain) as there are no known scenarios for planes to go into a nose dive without pilot intervention They are still searching for flight data recorder and cockpit voice recorder which if they are not damaged will reveal all
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Crassus
5:27 Mon Mar 21
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The video of the descent is in the wider domain now - Horrific
RIP the poor passengers hurtling down knowing whats coming
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Far Cough
3:37 Mon Mar 21
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Anon, that was on the 737 MAX this plane is a 737
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Mr Anon
3:08 Mon Mar 21
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from what Violator said it sounds like the same issue that has plagued new Boeings, faulty sensors that make it seem like the planes stalling so the autopilot kicks in and pushes the nose down.
They didnt even tell the pilots about it when they first installed it which led to hundreds of needless deaths, they then tried to blame the pilots, scumbags
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Coffee
2:05 Mon Mar 21
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Kaiser Zoso 1:48 Mon Mar 21
I've also flown with them. Twice, both short-haul. Probably not enough to form a judgment, but I remember those flights as thoroughly uninspiring.
I do remember Kunming airport had signs saying that tossing was forbidden.
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Coffee
2:02 Mon Mar 21
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Far Cough 11:56 Mon Mar 21
All that's true. Time in the sim will certainly maintain confidence that you can handle the plane. The trouble comes in dealing with abnormal situations and emergencies that typical sim procedures don't include. Those kind of skills do erode with time.
As for the Max, with all the time and money that's been poured into fixing it, there should not be any problems at all. It's still a crap design, though!
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Kaiser Zoso
1:48 Mon Mar 21
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I've flown China Eastern.
It was like Benny Hill airways. In a not very funny way.
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Travelling Iron
1:24 Mon Mar 21
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CAA rules only apply to international flights.
Some internal flights in places like Russia and China can be over 2000 miles per journey.
A mate of mine used to fly Moscow to the Sakhalin a 12 hour flight, it would land somewhere to take on passengers and engineers would come onboard and butcher the plane, removing seats and other components.
Maintenance on these flights is appalling.
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violator
12:36 Mon Mar 21
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Theres footage of it on twitter, going down like a fucking dart
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Leonard Hatred
12:13 Mon Mar 21
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Did that Malaysian one ever turn up?
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ak37
12:12 Mon Mar 21
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Chi-NA
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